Posted on June 9th, 2008 in Hatemail

Dear Craig,

You are misleading these people into believing that God accepts them in their sin.   Since you are under this deception, I am going to try and share with you why we do what we do and hope that you will understand that Jesus did not come to this earth simply to pardon sin.  He came to set us free from sin and no sinner will enter the kingdom.  If you continue in your sin, there remains no longer a sacrifice for sin.  That means that Jesus blood no longer covers you.  Until you repent, you do not know God.  If you do not know God, you are not saved.

Does the world hate you, Craig?  Do you care if the world hates you?

Let’s look at Jude 22-23, ” And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.”

Let’s look at 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, ” Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (homosexuals), Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Now let’s read that in The Message, ” 9-11 Don’t you realize that this is not the way to live? Unjust people who don’t care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, use and abuse the earth and everything in it, don’t qualify as citizens in God’s kingdom. A number of you know from experience what I’m talking about, for not so long ago you were on that list. Since then, you’ve been cleaned up and given a fresh start by Jesus, our Master, our Messiah, and by our God present in us, the Spirit.

Do you see how this piece of junk takes the warning out of the text concerning hell’s fire?  And it does make it sound like Doug and me are the bad guys and you’re the good guy.  But if you read this from the KJV and the original text which you can find on, you will see that the KJV is correct and The Message is watering down the message.

Where is the part about there no longer being a sacrifice for sin?  It is gone.  Where is the part about it being a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God?  It is missing.  Why?  Because this book was written by the enemy to deceive people into believing they can sin and get a little spank and still get into heaven.  You tell porn stars God loves them.  The Bible says that if they don’t repent, they will inherit hell’s fire.  You tell them God hates the sin but loves the sinner.  What is going to be in hell?  Their sin or them?  You don’t love them.  You hate them because you are not giving them the real message which is to repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.  That was Jesus message.  2 Tim. 3 tells us the reason for these perilous times.  It is because people have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.  That is the missing element.  Do you believe, Craig, that God can POWERFULLY free these people from the sin they are in?

You do not know Jesus or the apostles.  You do not know how strongly they preached against sin and judged sin of every class of people.  Think about Ananias and Sapphira who were killed for lying.  Or look at Acts 13 and while you are reading think about this.  Does Paul concern himself about offending Elymas?  What is the “sign and wonder” that convinces the proconsul that the message is true?

Craig, you do not know the Lord.  You are giving these folks more sugar coating to their sin.  What a shame that you are so full of deceit and all fraud, a son of the devil, you are the enemy of all righteousness, and you pervert the straight ways of the Lord.

You have the favor of man.  We do not care about sin nor concern yourself with how grieved God is over what is happening or how these little boys were going to the motorcycle convention were being escorted by these whores and defiled.  Jesus said it would be better for them to tie a millstone around their neck and be cast into the ocean.  Picture that.  You are descending at unbelievable speed to the bottom while your body parts are exploding.  Jesus says that this is better than what these folks will get when they stand before a Holy God.  We know how much God hates sin.  When you gloss over sin, you cause people to conclude that the cross is no big deal.  You have no idea what it cost God to die to take away the sin of the world.

We are not trying to get people to join the Christian club.  They must come to God in repentance.

May God open the eyes of your understanding.



  • True Radiant Free

    I didn’t read the whole thing and I don’t even know much about your ministry. But from what I read of this letter, why would your ministry consider this “hate”, when what she said was biblical. Like I said I’m not sure about your ministry, haven’t had time to read more yet, but EVEN IF she was writing this letter in the wrong context and it should not be aimed towards you guys, this should never be labeled as hate. You people should be mature, godly, Christians and point out to her that what she is saying is right but not in the proper context. The fact that you don’t and instead are sarcastic and try to publicly shame someone who disagrees with you, even though they have scriptural beliefs is very immature and makes me think that your ministry really is of the Devil and promotes sin. Care to explain?

    • xxxChurch on the DL

      TRF, take a look at the definition of ‘Hate’. it should become obvious after reviewing the definition, that the person you are defending without taking time to thoroughly read her entire correspondence, that she sent hate mail. I also hope you will reconsider your blind faith in Vera’s ability to correctly interpret the bible (in any version she uses) because you are incorrect in your conclusion that her response was ‘biblical’. Vera was very far off from the correct analysis and interpretation of this organization’s mission.

      In my number years of experience related to sexual behavior, sexual deviancy, formal/collegiate biblical education, and experiencing religious intolerance and aggressively abusive approach toward anyone who believe contrary to them, Vera is far from close in her judgment and interpretation of the Bible and/0r understanding the nature of the Christ toward those he came to demonstrate his love, compassion, kindness, and acceptance for.

      Please, also take a moment to peruse the sections that explain to the reader how the things that we say behind closed doors or hidden, will one day be shouted from the mountain tops. If you want, you could also reflect on the sections that talk about our need to reviewing & evaluate the fruit produced by others.

      HINT: “You will know they are mine by their fruit” and their love for the least of these.

      Regardless if you review the suggestions and make an informed, logical decision about this subject as well as their decision to allow us a glimpse into the nature of the leadership and their detractors. This provides us the opportunity to see their motivation, lack of support via prayer, words of encouragement, and monetary donations.

      As a side note, I do not work for xxxChurch nor am I supported by other means. To be more transparent, I don’t think this topic is adequately addressed by anyone. There is still the impact of judgements from supposed Religious Leaders, and their followers, that needs to be eliminated. I think you tried to keep your judgements and assumptions under control, but they were visible a number of times – especially when considering your honest statement about commenting (judging & taking sides) before conducting an exhaustive review of all parties involved.

      It is unfortunate that you didn’t make time to research this site, its owners; their mission statement the results over the years and didn’t make time to research definitions and the letter’s author. You may have reached the same conclusion and made your comments, but at least then you would be highly regarded for the wisdom you share.

      The religious people of the world need to do considerable spring cleaning and realign their belief systems to reflect the truthful admonition given years ago from the Christ to the Body: the GREATEST of these IS LOVE! If they sincerely did this, there would be no need for a humorous Hate Mail page. As a non-religious, Spiritual person who believes in the medical science behind an active, healthy sexual mindset – along with sexual experiences, the humorous aspect is how contradictory the Hate Mail Writers are in their logic or justification for the hate mail. Return to love – showing love, living love, breathing love, and striving to be filled with love for yourself and then others.

      • True Radiant Free

        I don’t have to read past your first paragraph to see that you are trying to make me out to be a fool and put me down too, because I never said I supported her view, because I didn’t read it all. You are obviously as immature as a Christian as the people who run this site, and if you don’t work for them then why is your username xxxChurch and why are you responding to me like you do? Pretty weird.

        • xxxChurch on the DL

          RIF = Reading Is Fundamental

          How can you expect an intelligent and accurate conversation about anything if you refuse to actually….read something in its entirety? You make yourself out to be however you are perceived. I don’t think you’re a fool. I can’t figure out why you refuse to read before commenting. When you do it in that order, you make yourself out to be that way to others. Your previous comments were full of assumptions and conclusions based on nothing. So, I was hoping you would do something different next time so you could show everyone how mature you are in understanding the subject matter and willingness to invest your time and energy to read, research, then comment based on accurate data and not presuppositions. It seems that is just not in the cards for you at this time and that’s okay. We’re all in different places along this journey.

          I will correct one thing for you, though: I never labeled myself based on a religion. I clearly address that I do not work for them and am not associated with the organization because some people will automatically assume I am based upon the screen name I SELECTED! If you understood the humor of the SN, then you would know quite well my non-affiliation and my non-Christian status.

          I hope you take a moment….who am I kidding. You won’t even get this far before you have posted your next comment. I’m not interested in arguing or fighting with you. I thought you were an educated human vs. a trollbot. Take Care!

          • True Radiant Free

            I’m a trollbot yet you are some random disqus account made just for this website. I command you to come out you evil spirit and go into the lake of fire in Jesus’ Name!

          • xxxChurch on the DL

            ACKKK! NOOOOOO! Not the Lake of Fahr (southern accent for you to feel more at home)!

            TRF, you crack me up with your silliness. I am impressed at your inability to see the juxtaposition of your situation. You, obviously, claim to be ‘like Christ’, which is what the label Christian means. Yet, you do not demonstrate action in accordance with Christ’s example. I’m speaking specifically of your unwillingness to read, research, and intelligently respond without assumptions, incorrect & immature name-calling, and generalized confrontational tone.

            I understand you and the dogma your taught. I’ve been there and recognize myself in your foaming-at-the-mouth contempt for people who do adhere to your belief system. In your fervor to espouse any of the latest Xtian jargon, you further demonstrate that you are estranged from the spirit of the Christ.

            Again, I recognize you for who you are and your intent on argumentative interactions; whether because you’re a trollbot programmed to misquote the religious iconography associated with christianity or whether you’re a late teen/early twenty’s caucasian male sitting in the basement while eating ding dongs and crackers, chased down with Grape NeHi soda pop, wearing your flannels and wondering what your future holds if you have to listen to grandma snore and fart all night in the top bunk bed you share with her.

            Come back when you read my first post talking about the reason I commented. What you intend for evil or even mislabel as evil will be thwarted. Look at me, falling back into the mumbo jumbo jargon.

            Have a good one. Try to calm down before you have another asthma attack and poop yourself like last week. Tell Jason that he will be fine and doesn’t have to punish himself anymore because there’s such a thing as forgiveness, kindness, and compassion for ALL no matter what you falsely tell him.

            Talk about weird…I guess you are the kettle? 😉

      • True Radiant Free

        Also it seems this site promotes sin under the guise of love, which is false grace, and people who do such are in danger of hellfire like the book of Jude explains. I hope you are right with God, because it doesn’t sound like you are! Also, this website doesn’t have a clear mission statement and explanation of what they believe, and it also has many signs that point to the allowance of sin. Which is something not you or anyone else can explain away as acceptable before God, and if you do, you are in danger of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, so be warned.

        • xxxChurch on the DL

          Umm..Yeah…I always enjoy watching people try to squeeze new definitions out of established words/phrases. Even better, is when they try to add the latest buzz jargon into a historical document (like the christian bible). Could you do me a favor? Since you’re the more superior soul, at least in your own eyes, could you provide the reference in the original Greek and/or Hebrew records that talk about your concept of ‘False Grace’. The reference, to be accurate, should contain that exact verbiage ‘False Grace’ in order to be accepted.

          While you’re doing some research (because you won’t find it), could you try to locate at least 3-5 references in the original texts where the Christ spoke in the THUG-ish manner you and your friends believe to make you ‘christ-like’ or little christians?

          ‘So be warned.’ He said. Egads! Next you’ll attempt to conjure up some magical phrase (spell/incantation) to cause a heap of burning coals upon my head. 😉

      • True Radiant Free

        Also, it seems you are not a Christian, yet you are trying to teach what love is? What based on your feelings of what love is? That can differ between all people of the world. Love is the love that is defined in the Bible, not by man. Love without the truth of Jesus is not real love, its your man-made notion of love, and I pray that you will get out of your pride to realize that.

        • xxxChurch on the DL

          TRF, TRF, TRF,

          What did YHWH say to you about judging??? I’m pretty sure the speck is in my eye while yours has the LOG in it!

          Also, could you clarify WHICH one of the definitions for LOVE that are found in the Bible you are using as the Jesus-real-love? Again, it would be much appreciated if you went to the original Greek and/or Hebrew for your answer. If I didn’t have so much pride (in what, I have no clue, but that’s your judgement), I would give you a quick 5-minute tutorial explaining how you can quickly locate via the internet everything we’ve been discussing today.

          You may be confused slightly about who to attribute the ‘real’ love to because the Spirit remained after Christ’s departure from the planet. You’ll be able to validate that through the same search I’ve been describing above and below.

  • xxxChurch on the DL

    This is, by far, one of the more interesting and creative uses by a religious organization to spread their message. At first, I thought the url was meant to disrespect a belief system. Then, when I took time to review sections of the site, it was obviously apparent the focus was to convince visitors that certain behavior is contrary to god’s expectation. This is also done in a creative, almost non-judgmental manner. In fact, compared to dear ol’ Vera’s lecture about how to speak to your guests about her definition of god’s character and her dismissive, condescending vitriol toward the site’s mission/purpose, I think the website wins by a landslide (not that is the intended goal).

    Plus, I can truthfully say, this site is well built, overflowing with compassion and maybe even empathy from those who may have experienced similar sexual gratification before encountering an internal desire to modify their behavior. It’s vibrant, inviting or welcoming, encouraging guests and offering hope backed by tools the guest can use to regain control over their sexual experiences, if they want.

    Thank you for posting the Hate Mail received so visitors have the opportunity to basically compare/contrast the different approaches from the people behind this site and your vocal critics who want you to conform to their idea of what god’s mission is for this website, etc. Once again, this is a creative approach to publicly acknowledge & address the stone-throwers (think: Mary Magdalene after being caught in adultery and brought before the Christ).

    I stumbled across your welcome mat through another website announcing how they support this and other sites. Out of curiosity, I clicked the link to see how the pairing of ‘xxx’ & ‘church’ came about & where it was headed. I will reserve my personal thoughts about the content as it pertains to your mission, but will gladly share a thought or two about the hate mail from Vera – WHICH I READ COMPLETELY so that I could intelligently discuss what was written. Afterward, I’ll throw my two-cents in concerning the previous commenter’s judgment of your mission without exercising due dilligence before throwing her stones.

    Vera spends a number of sentences educating you about the ‘proper’ and ‘correct’ words to use to obtain favor from god so people can be ‘saved’ from hell while helping your guests feel miserable (rejected, guilty, ashamed, embarrassed) about themselves for engaging in any number of activities the website addresses as problem areas in a persons life that needs to be changed. Sadly, Vera’s hate mail allowed us to be a witness as she turned into a ‘picker’ of certain parts of the bible to use to support her mistaken beliefs and understanding.

    For example, Vera reveals how she is not afraid to violate the bible’s mandate to not judge others. She also revealed how she wasn’t afraid to violate scripture by sending the hate mail in the first place. I mean, if she is going to hold someone accountable for not adhering to the original intent or expectation found in one translation of this book versus another, then she needs to hold herself to that strict standard regarding a woman’s place of leadership (or should I say submission?) talked about by the early church founders. As I conclude for now, I’ll also point out her lack of knowledge or correct understanding of the relationship between god/the Christ and his interaction with regular people. I will not quibble over the fact that she regards the KJV as THE correct edition/translation to use to be able to understand god since it’s only a couple hundred years old & unlike like the ancient scrolls that are much, much older than KJV.

    An example of what I mean is the nature and gentleness of Christ toward ‘sinners’ compared to the ‘religious people’ of his time. I encourage Vera to re-examine the evidence about how the Christ never behaved in the manner she (along with many others) ascribe to him confronting sin, etc. Vera would have us believe that the Christ stood before the 5,000 men and yelled at them until they believed they were worthless slugs without his stern hand controlling them; afterwards providing a meal with baskets of extra food.

    HINT: the Christ did not judge anyone except those religious people who seemed intent to destroy his mission with their hypocrisy and deceit. I’m quite certain that every contact Christ had with ‘sinners’ resulted in compassion & love being extended without ever confronting the person for what they’ve done wrong. Dear ol’ Vera needs to comply with the ‘do not judge’ expectation combined with the Golden Rule expectations.

    • True Radiant Free

      Christ told people to go and sin no more and he is the Almighty Judge! Get your filthy comments of this site and stop trying to lead people astray, because souls are at stake!

      • xxxChurch on the DL

        Again, TRF, you crack me up! Please use the space below to copy and paste (quote me) all the ‘filthy’ comments I made. BEFORE you do, please spend 7.35 minutes and RESEARCH the DEFINITION of FILTHY so you can accurately identify them. Thanks a Bunch!

      • xxxChurch on the DL

        TRF – Hey, it’s just me and my squeaky clean comments here. Just wanted to clarify your order.

        1. Did you want me to do something about the site’s comments?

        Your statement is written as if I am associated with this website when you say, ‘comments -OF- this site’ and I am NOT affiliated what-so-ever.

        2. Did you intend to order me to somehow magically get my ‘comments -OFF- this site’?

        Please advise which demand you have made via your xtian spirit of love and kindness to make it easier for me to decipher. Thanks Much!!

        Oh yeah, in case you haven’t studied this…hahaha!!! I know, I know…who am I kidding?

        Anyway, all this engagement between us is HELPING to promote THIS site for others to find via search. Yes, I have an IT background – software development testing the last 8 years. So, hopefully your heart hasn’t already become hardened and you felt that tiny prick of the spirit convicting you of your sin (in your own eyes) for promoting this site. Good job TRF!!!

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